What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby GeneralWalnut » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:58 pm

Steam reviews are maybe a notch above metacritic reviews in the scale of stuff that's totally useless to consumers.

The game has a decently big following for a new indie project right now, and because of Kickstarter any sales after it releases will be profit for them.

Because people are interested in it, streamers will probably pick up on it. Heck, the toybox has been a pretty prominent stream game for basically being nothing. Then, if the game is good it's only a matter of time before the steam reviews even out.

Also, they can absolutely delete steam reviews, and are well within their rights if a review is irrelevant or just incorrect. And judging by how quickly the discourse here has descended into people shouting "SJW!!!!!!!" and more insanely, "white genocide," I'm sure there will be PLENTY of irrelevant and incorrect floating around that review section.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Yavga » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:06 pm

GeneralWalnut wrote:Steam reviews are maybe a notch above metacritic reviews in the scale of stuff that's totally useless to consumers.

The game has a decently big following for a new indie project right now, and because of Kickstarter any sales after it releases will be profit for them.

Because people are interested in it, streamers will probably pick up on it. Heck, the toybox has been a pretty prominent stream game for basically being nothing. Then, if the game is good it's only a matter of time before the steam reviews even out.

Also, they can absolutely delete steam reviews, and are well within their rights if a review is irrelevant or just incorrect. And judging by how quickly the discourse here has descended into people shouting "SJW!!!!!!!" and more insanely, "white genocide," I'm sure there will be PLENTY of irrelevant and incorrect floating around that review section.


Oh well, the user review sections aren't really anything to go by with popular games anyway... I mean, have you seen the Metacritic reviews for BoTW? Lol, yeah people who want to know more read between the lines anyway. Luckily we have our steam curators that still hold some
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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby ShanPen » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:12 pm

RareAware wrote:The attention this game has been receiving is from the dedicated gaming community, which is only a portion of the overall demographic that plays games. The typical COD playing consumer does not know or care about this project. By poisoning the game with politics, Playtonic has alienated a portion of an already-limited customer base.


I doubt the small amount of people worldwide who even know of JonTron and care enough about him being removed to no longer buy the game will make much of a difference compared to all the people who are not caring combined with all the people who will see Yooka-Laylee on shelves in stores and buy it because it looks good and parents who will buy it for their kid because it looks like a kid friendly game.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby PandaLover » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:16 pm

GeneralWalnut wrote:Also, they can absolutely delete steam reviews, and are well within their rights if a review is irrelevant or just incorrect. And judging by how quickly the discourse here has descended into people shouting "SJW!!!!!!!" and more insanely, "white genocide," I'm sure there will be PLENTY of irrelevant and incorrect floating around that review section.


Playtonic cannot delete bad reviews, steam could if it was some gross violation of terms of use, for example putting in links to pornographic websites. However its pretty easy to give a negative review even if it doesnt deserve it, you can say you just didnt like the gameplay and critique it on actual points, no game is perfect. Or you could just give it a negative review without actually writing anything which is what most people do, which would obviously count towards the games score.

The notion that Playtonic can just decide their game is good and delete all negative reviews and get a 100% score is ridiculous. Obviously companies would be doing that if they could. I have also seen tons of reviews for games that are not "professional" in their critique of the game, for example making baseless accusations that the devs "Took the money and Ran" and that "No one is working on this game it will never be finished dont buy it". Those reviews dont get deleted.

In fact I just looked at the reviews for a game I bought that people trashed with reviews and killed within teh first month of release. There is literally an ASCII picture of a man taking a poo-poo with the name of the game in the pile of poo-poo. This review was not only not deleted, but was voted as funny and helpful and is prominetly featured.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby GeneralWalnut » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:23 pm

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GeneralWalnut wrote:Also, they can absolutely delete steam reviews, and are well within their rights if a review is irrelevant or just incorrect. And judging by how quickly the discourse here has descended into people shouting "SJW!!!!!!!" and more insanely, "white genocide," I'm sure there will be PLENTY of irrelevant and incorrect floating around that review section.


Playtonic cannot delete bad reviews, steam could if it was some gross violation of terms of use, for example putting in links to pornographic websites. However its pretty easy to give a negative review even if it doesnt deserve it, you can say you just didnt like the gameplay and critique it on actual points, no game is perfect. Or you could just give it a negative review without actually writing anything which is what most people do, which would obviously count towards the games score.

The notion that Playtonic can just decide their game is good and delete all negative reviews and get a 100% score is ridiculous. Obviously companies would be doing that if they could. I have also seen tons of reviews for games that are not "professional" in their critique of the game, for example making baseless accusations that the devs "Took the money and Ran" and that "No one is working on this game it will never be finished dont buy it". Those reviews dont get deleted.

If you report reviews as abusive they are almost always removed immediately. It is a system that lets people like the fur fun developers delete legitimate negative reviews from their game page, but there are actual use cases for it as well. I would imagine with this "controversy" the Team 17 guys they have managing the steam community will be pretty vigilant in reporting reviews that are misleading or actually abusive.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby PandaLover » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:27 pm

GeneralWalnut wrote:
PandaLover wrote:
GeneralWalnut wrote:Also, they can absolutely delete steam reviews, and are well within their rights if a review is irrelevant or just incorrect. And judging by how quickly the discourse here has descended into people shouting "SJW!!!!!!!" and more insanely, "white genocide," I'm sure there will be PLENTY of irrelevant and incorrect floating around that review section.


Playtonic cannot delete bad reviews, steam could if it was some gross violation of terms of use, for example putting in links to pornographic websites. However its pretty easy to give a negative review even if it doesnt deserve it, you can say you just didnt like the gameplay and critique it on actual points, no game is perfect. Or you could just give it a negative review without actually writing anything which is what most people do, which would obviously count towards the games score.

The notion that Playtonic can just decide their game is good and delete all negative reviews and get a 100% score is ridiculous. Obviously companies would be doing that if they could. I have also seen tons of reviews for games that are not "professional" in their critique of the game, for example making baseless accusations that the devs "Took the money and Ran" and that "No one is working on this game it will never be finished dont buy it". Those reviews dont get deleted.

If you report reviews as abusive they are almost always removed immediately. It is a system that lets people like the fur fun developers delete legitimate negative reviews from their game page, but there are actual use cases for it as well. I would imagine with this "controversy" the Team 17 guys they have managing the steam community will be pretty vigilant in reporting reviews that are misleading or actually abusive.


I have never seen or heard of that. Just reporting a review will always get it removed? Even if its legitamite? That doesnt sound right or accurate at all. Are you implying the steam admins dont even read the reviews that are reported, they just delete them because they are reported, because that is what would have to happen for that ot be true. The idea that steam removes reviews if they get anything wrong is laughable, most reviews contain inaccurate or questionable information and they are never removed. I added a piece onto that post:

"In fact I just looked at the reviews for a game I bought that people trashed with reviews and killed within teh first month of release. There is literally an ASCII picture of a man taking a poo-poo with the name of the game in the pile of poo-poo. This review was not only not deleted, but was voted as funny and helpful and is prominetly featured."

Why dont you go and try to report this review to get it removed and see what happens, Im sure you arent the first one to do it as some people dislike it and yet it is still there after 6 months.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Pgcrooner » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:32 pm

i hope it doesn't. I just hope playtonic grows from this experiance.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Taylor » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:12 pm

I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.
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Postby Rasmusic » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:56 pm

Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby GeneralWalnut » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:45 pm

PandaLover wrote:
GeneralWalnut wrote:
PandaLover wrote:
Playtonic cannot delete bad reviews, steam could if it was some gross violation of terms of use, for example putting in links to pornographic websites. However its pretty easy to give a negative review even if it doesnt deserve it, you can say you just didnt like the gameplay and critique it on actual points, no game is perfect. Or you could just give it a negative review without actually writing anything which is what most people do, which would obviously count towards the games score.

The notion that Playtonic can just decide their game is good and delete all negative reviews and get a 100% score is ridiculous. Obviously companies would be doing that if they could. I have also seen tons of reviews for games that are not "professional" in their critique of the game, for example making baseless accusations that the devs "Took the money and Ran" and that "No one is working on this game it will never be finished dont buy it". Those reviews dont get deleted.

If you report reviews as abusive they are almost always removed immediately. It is a system that lets people like the fur fun developers delete legitimate negative reviews from their game page, but there are actual use cases for it as well. I would imagine with this "controversy" the Team 17 guys they have managing the steam community will be pretty vigilant in reporting reviews that are misleading or actually abusive.


I have never seen or heard of that. Just reporting a review will always get it removed? Even if its legitamite? That doesnt sound right or accurate at all. Are you implying the steam admins dont even read the reviews that are reported, they just delete them because they are reported, because that is what would have to happen for that ot be true. The idea that steam removes reviews if they get anything wrong is laughable, most reviews contain inaccurate or questionable information and they are never removed. I added a piece onto that post:

"In fact I just looked at the reviews for a game I bought that people trashed with reviews and killed within teh first month of release. There is literally an ASCII picture of a man taking a poo-poo with the name of the game in the pile of poo-poo. This review was not only not deleted, but was voted as funny and helpful and is prominetly featured."

Why dont you go and try to report this review to get it removed and see what happens, Im sure you arent the first one to do it as some people dislike it and yet it is still there after 6 months.

It isn't user reports, it is creators flagging reviews as abuse, which is something steam gives quite a bit of control of. Like I said, the game Fur Fun also found its share of (actually legit) controversy partly because the project's creator was getting negative reviews removed by flagging them, among other things. I don't know which game you are talking about but my guess is that the creators of the project aren't all that actively watching the steam reviews at this point.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby DarkTone » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:24 pm

Why is there Jontron talk in THIS thread too?

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Postby Yoshi » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:45 pm

Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.

It would be particularly sad, because Playtonic is shaping up as one of only three developers (next to Nintendo and Sega) who can make good platformers.

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Postby NPChilla » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:09 pm

DarkTone wrote:Why is there Jontron talk in THIS thread too?


I deliberately did NOT mention him in the OP.
I'm talking about the future of the company.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Scrubber » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:03 pm

It won't flop. End of thread.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby DiverseOpinions » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:46 pm

Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.


I find it sad and ironic that you conveniently left used game sales our of your post. Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy? I'd bet you'd love that so you could just ban people left and right for saying they're going to still play the game without supporting the company. What about the people asking for refunds that you do your best to silence whenever you can?

I would've bought the game brand new if Playtonic weren't making terrible PR decisions and committing shady business practices. If Playtonic only cares about developing great games, they should've remained apolitical.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Yavga » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:11 am

DiverseOpinions wrote:
Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.


I find it sad and ironic that you conveniently left used game sales our of your post. Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy? I'd bet you'd love that so you could just ban people left and right for saying they're going to still play the game without supporting the company. What about the people asking for refunds that you do your best to silence whenever you can?

I would've bought the game brand new if Playtonic weren't making terrible PR decisions and committing shady business practices. If Playtonic only cares about developing great games, they should've remained apolitical.


I actually rather enjoy the way they managed to anger people like you with a gesture of showing they are very intolerant of extreme viewpoints. It makes your true colors shine very bright. Revolting. I think you're the real reason this term "Social justice warrior" Exists.
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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby ShanPen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:20 am

DiverseOpinions wrote:
Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.


I find it sad and ironic that you conveniently left used game sales our of your post. Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy?


Saying "I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game" DOES NOT EQUAL saying "Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy".

Taylor was making an observation that some people have said they will pirate the game. HOW you managed to get that he was saying everyone who doesn't buy the game new is going to pirate it from that sentence means either your reading comprehension is poor, or you are deliberately trying to make Taylor look bad by twisting his words. And given that you then turned it into a hypothetical rant about how Taylor would love that so he can go around banning everyone, leads me to suspect you were twisting his words to push your own agenda, because you seem to get fixated on certain people in this forum (Yavga, now Taylor), and follow them around being a nuisance and trying to make them look bad. Like an immature child.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Yavga » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:32 am

ShanPen wrote:
DiverseOpinions wrote:
Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.


I find it sad and ironic that you conveniently left used game sales our of your post. Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy?


Saying "I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game" DOES NOT EQUAL saying "Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy".

Taylor was making an observation that some people have said they will pirate the game. HOW you managed to get that he was saying everyone who doesn't buy the game is going to pirate it from that sentence means either your reading comprehension is poor, or you are deliberately trying to make Taylor look bad by twisting his words. And given that you then turned it into a hypothetical rant about how Taylor would love that so he can go around banning everyone, leads me to suspect you were twisting his words to push your own agenda, because you seem to get fixated on certain people in this forum (Yavga, now Taylor), and follow them around being a nuisance and trying to make them look bad. Like an immature child.


Please ShanPen, don't lose your patience over this ill-intended malicious person. It's not worth it. A guy not even knowing what his own profile picture actually preaches is not worthy to the path of self healing to begin with, like he even cares in his anonimous tantrum.

I don't want you to lose your patience over that, you're an honest positive minded person that is undeserving of such lunacy. All your wise words will fall flat to deaf ears.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby DiverseOpinions » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:35 am

ShanPen wrote:
DiverseOpinions wrote:
Taylor wrote:I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game. The game looks fun, most people think so, so I don't think it will flop in that sense. But I find it a bit sad and ironic that people want to play the game, but are still adamant about boycotting the company that brought it to us and could bring us more gems in future.


I find it sad and ironic that you conveniently left used game sales our of your post. Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy?


Saying "I see a lot of angry people saying they will pirate the game" DOES NOT EQUAL saying "Everyone that isn't going to buy the game new is going to get it through piracy".

Taylor was making an observation that some people have said they will pirate the game. HOW you managed to get that he was saying everyone who doesn't buy the game new is going to pirate it from that sentence means either your reading comprehension is poor, or you are deliberately trying to make Taylor look bad by twisting his words. And given that you then turned it into a hypothetical rant about how Taylor would love that so he can go around banning everyone, leads me to suspect you were twisting his words to push your own agenda, because you seem to get fixated on certain people in this forum (Yavga, now Taylor), and follow them around being a nuisance and trying to make them look bad. Like an immature child.


An eye for an eye when he's twisted my words before, and it is true that he has silenced people for asking for refunds or moved their topics so they see less attention. Maybe he should be a bit more careful with his wording, considering he's an administrator of these forums. I mean we're talking about Playtonic here, the company that removes you as soon as your opinion could be seen as wrong. Unless they're following their own double standard. If he wanted to not be seen as a terrible mod, then he should leave his opinion out of posts that he prunes/locks.

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Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby NPChilla » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:15 am

Scrubber wrote:It won't flop. End of thread.


How do you know what its commercial success will be?


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