Savage Rodent wrote:Yavga wrote:Yeah... this Jonno person from Team 17 who is actively moderating the Steam Forum as we speak is being attacked from every angle possible by a bunch of lowlifes and he really tries to not give in to any temptations but he still talks with all of the members as well. Awesome. Those attackers don't hold a grain of respect for the man considering the whole situation. That seems to say a lot about the active people who disagree there, is disagreeing even the right word? Whatever, they're a bunch of mobbing pussies.
I can tell with this paragraph you don't understand how upset people are about this and exactly why they're upset, and why they get more upset when they get banned and silenced from the forums, but unfortunately I have no interest in retreading this discussion. Slippery Slope isn't always a fallacy.Yavga wrote:So then I keep seeing this SJW word, "Social Justice Warrior" a word that doesn't even sound negative to me, what is wrong for wanting to do battle for keeping the right order? Then I went ahead and search for the definition of the term... Now I think this SJW word really seems to be used by a lot of people who have no idea what the hell they are saying. What a stupid definition of the word, who made that up?
The definition of SJW is typically used as a derogatory word, mainly because what SJWs (by the definition's wording) promote sounds great, but isn't exactly what it is. Just like feminism, which mainly pertains to third wave feminism. I'm sure you've heard of Anita Sarkeesian and the ridiculous crap she has said. I, and many other people I'm sure, feel it's unnecessary to have to promote diversity and accept people of different ethnicities and culture. I don't put people into categories of race or gender and I typically don't think about it, but SJWs tend to want to always bring it up because I'm assuming they believe there is oppression. And while there is oppression, it doesn't exist in first world countries, but for some reason they don't seem to see that. This goes along with virtue signaling, which I absolutely hate, and it's all over the place. Unfortunately I can't help but agree with people that that is what Playtonic did by saying they "celebrates diversity in all forms." I'm sorry, what company doesn't do that?
Savage Rodent wrote: I don't put people into categories of race or gender and I typically don't think about it, but SJWs tend to want to always bring it up because I'm assuming they believe there is oppression. And while there is oppression, it doesn't exist in first world countries, but for some reason they don't seem to see that.
bwh80 wrote:I think debate/discussion is healthy.
bwh80 wrote:Who knows, maybe some people might actually LEARN something by reading it. Although, not the OP obviously.
bwh80 wrote:Besides, what else are you gonna do? Squash it and be accused of censorship?
bwh80 wrote:Also, at least it's keeping the discussion to (mostly) one thread. Rather than having topic, after topic, after topic, spread throughout the forum.
ShanPen wrote:Except it does still exist in developed countries. Sure black people aren't lynched by mobs anymore or women aren't stoned to death in the streets, but that doesn't mean there isn't oppression. People from minority groups tell you it happens to them all the time - are you calling them liars just because it doesn't happen to you or you don't see it happen? How condescending.
I can tell you as a woman working in a male dominated industry that several times clients have outright discriminated against the women at my work saying they don't want a woman working on their project because "Women and technology don't mix" - those were actual words used by clients (though there have been variations as it has happened multiple times) who didn't even know the women in question or anything about their skill sets (because if they did, they'd know they missed out on some of the best because one lady in particular was one of the best operators in the company), they just presumed the women would be rubbish - how much more blatant can you get than that? And that's not just a case of shrugging it off and saying "sticks and stones" - that means we then don't get shifts and so get less money purely because someone holds sexist views. Not to mention all the little things that you just have to internally laugh and roll your eyes about, like where the client will shake the hand of all the guys on the team, yet not give a hand shake or even any eye contact to the women - but I guess we're just being "too sensitive" or making it up . If we were "too sensitive" and "got offended" at every little comment, we wouldn't have even made it into the industry, yet alone stuck with it.
You know what I noticed about a lot of the people over at that NeoGaff board when I went over there to read the thread to get more perspective? That a lot of them were people of colour (or had family members who were) - people who were actually hurt by the ideals Jon was spouting because they live the reality of people treating them differently every day, that's why they were so upset. It wasn't because they have nothing better to do than "get offended at everything". But hey, you must know more about their life experiences than they do, seeing as though you're acting like the world expert on who and when people are oppressed.
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Regardless, I look forward to the game, truth is I think it will be a lot of fun. I just wish Playtonic had handled what happened a little bit differently, that's all.
bwh80 wrote:Perhaps you might want to go back and re-read my post and understand my PoV, rather than just taking umbrage at what side you THINK I might be taking.
Savage Rodent wrote:Yeah, I'm sure it happens to them all the time. Don't know how you found out the people over at NeoGaff were people of color, but do you not think white males get discriminated or harassed at all? Tell that to all of these sites saying it's okay to hate white people and that you can't be racist towards white people. Or how about Mtv's "What white men can do better in 2017." Give me a break. And here is a thought, the homeless population, at least here in America, consists at least 75% of males. Also, men are treated unfairly in court compared to the woman, and I know this both from stories and experience. And please, understand the difference between oppression and discrimination.
bwh80 wrote:Bye everyone. Seems I am about to be banned.
bwh80 wrote:Nevermind, I'm just gonna leave on my own volition.
Take care all.
Savage Rodent wrote:I hate to give this thread some life, but I found out that Manveer Heir, the openly racist guy that worked at Bioware, wasn't fired and instead left the company. https://imgoat.com/uploads/9f0f895fb9/7490.png
So I guess I'm a little more upset about Jon's work being removed now. And it's just like what Jon said, nobody is getting fired over racism against white people. The unbelievable double standard that is going on is ridiculous.
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