Orchestral Track

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby croissant » Tue May 05, 2015 5:25 am

I think when it comes to the subject of sampled MIDI music versus live instruments, there is a gray area that has to be taken into consideration. Of course, sound quality alone would be the most noticeable difference between the two, as live instruments will offer character and dynamics that are not present with one-shot samples. But then there are also the factors of arrangement, orchestra size, and acoustic ambience, to consider. Just the latter two alone can have a huge impact on how a composition feels, in terms of the sound becoming too big and washed out, which is my personal concern about recording a live orchestra. Even though that type of sound may have its own appeal, it may not necessarily match with the game's atmosphere, which leads us back to the subject of coherency.

This is not to imply that I would be against the implementation of a live orchestral soundtrack, though – only to raise awareness about the factors that determine the characteristics of the sound of a live orchestral recording – because I think this might be the essence of what some people seek to convey, when they refer to preferring the sample-based MIDI music from the Nintendo 64, rather than the big, lush, atmospheric sound of a huge orchestra performing in a large hall. On that note, I think Grant's jungle theme sets a good example for what I personally would consider an optimal sound for the game. Although I do have a smaller concern about the prominence of the acoustics, I think the compact size of the orchestra for that piece is a good guideline.

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby freakdave » Tue May 05, 2015 5:50 am

As long as there is no extensive hall/reverb in the music I'm fine with an orchestral version. The jungle world track is a good example of how this can be accomplished.

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby FarronFox » Tue May 05, 2015 12:10 pm

I've loved the music in all of rare's games and I even bought the soundtrack to Kameo which was orchestral.

Never once when playing one of their games did I think 'oh I don't like the sound of this, it should be in another format instead.' I just thought that they did the music that they thought appropriate for it. So again I ask them to do the same this time.

I want them to do the music that they want to do and the music that they feel best projects the world and the feeling that they're after.

Also, no way should they provide an option of switching between orchestral and non orchestral. That's just ridiculous. Just play the game with the music the developers want you to.

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby Mr.Patch » Tue May 05, 2015 5:08 pm



How could you not want this in Yooka-Laylee? I'm all about bringing back the buddy-duo platformer from Rare's N64 days but after hearing what Grant Kirkhope can do with an orchestra in Viva Piñata, I can't go back to midi now. If the soundtrack for Yooka-Laylee is half as beautiful and playful as Viva Piñata's is, we should consider ourselves the luckiest hardcore fans alive!

Let us be grateful for whatever we get from Playtonic because we know it's going to be the most beautiful platformer we've played in 15 years!

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Re: Orchestral Track

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby ryanator008 » Tue May 05, 2015 7:38 pm

N64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXHcZZcbFA
Real Instruments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixRUMwm43cA
Second one's just a little more lively.

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby Fishmon14 » Tue May 05, 2015 8:03 pm

What's all this, about live instruments not being catchy or memorable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0xjQpYw7I - Mario Kart Stadium (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1fZFQrxgdc - Mount Wario (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2GPsHuc04 - N64 Yoshi Valley (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6KhR9y86c - N64 Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zyPO2hF8_o - Mute City (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvfc9jukUzU - GBA Cheese Land (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMPKHRze30 - Animal Crossing (Mario Kart 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sN2DpfOhTo - Comet Observatory 3 (Super Mario Galaxy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEIWhy-urqM - Gusty Garden Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29bt-wjS88 - Buoy Base Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stLwU5745yU - Melty Monster Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewHK4wu5Kgs - The Bullet Bill Express (Super Mario 3D World)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7KJeuu4Whg - The Credits Roll (Super Mario 3D World)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1POIH0sgiXY - Main Theme (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qv40FYxt5M - Test-O-Track (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU2ujUKYlk4 - Showdown Town (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSN92Xcf8uQ - Welcome to Nutty Acres (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4bgKYbFyxY - Nutty Acres Jiggy Challenge (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqZqx5_XN94 - Jiggosseum Jiggy Challenge (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcxGv-8Z6_o - Gruntilda's Challenge (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2zfslG174 - The Final Fight (Nuts & Bolts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8DvkX4e_wc - Final Showdown (Kameo: Elements of Power)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrbbF2CPeV4 - Day 1 (Viva Piñata)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZZMqFK_2Ak - Tranquil Hours (Viva Piñata)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikne8j32f88 - Oven Fresh Day (Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3VB9Z7E1A - Tirnoch (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNSuj-jO24 - Credits Theme (Star Fox Assault)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=witvUes32B4 - Opening (Super Smash Bros. Melee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz3BQFXjEOI - Fountain of Dreams (Super Smash Bros. Melee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KKoo_5v8rM - Corneria (Super Smash Bros. Melee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PInuVXgxO1g - Main Theme (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVlE8u6Hhp8 - Fire Emblem Theme (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbsUHog7bEU - Crimson Loftwing (Skyward Sword)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYecdMH94w - Stalfos (Skyward Sword)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXoELYrsQdU - Stickerbrush Symphony Credits Ver. (DKC: Tropical Freeze)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqpXrDuLqE0 - Lugia's Song (Pokemon: The Movie 2000)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZktSPrGSck - Main Title (Beetlejuice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS3JvakSR8 - Main Theme (Batman 1989)

Gonna wrap up here, before I list off a bunch of movie tunes as well, but I'll end off with a quick comparison. Hardly the defining comparison, but it gets the job done.

Here's a song from Super Mario 3D Land: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoP3_p2-N8

...and here it is performed by an orchestra in 3D World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR6cHwoZtM

EDIT: Also I figure I should mention I'm aware that some of the songs I've listed aren't entirely orchestral, but that's the thing. Just because you have an orchestra, doesn't mean you need to use them 100% of the time for everything! You can do some songs without them. You can also, in songs such as Buoy Base Galaxy, use a combination of orchestra and electronic. Having an orchestral soundtrack doesn't mean all you're gonna hear is live stuff. It's just giving them the means to make some songs live if they want to, and they can also add electronic touches if they so please.

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby EekumBokum202 » Wed May 06, 2015 1:34 am

ATTENTION PLAYTONIC!
For development "Twoka-Laylee", please watch these:



For everyone else, talk about these videos !

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Re: Orchestral Track

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby Jellyfunk » Wed May 06, 2015 2:06 am

Again, the reasons you don't like the music from the later games is because of the arrangement, NOT because of the use of an orchestra. The composers here are trying to add flair to a tired old theme from the 80s, some more successful than others.

Now compare this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK7rp1hnH8

To this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=365OeRHin4k

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Re: Orchestral Track

Postby EekumBokum202 » Wed May 06, 2015 2:29 am

ATTENTION PLAYTONIC!
For development "Twoka-Laylee", please watch these:



For everyone else, talk about these videos !

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Re: Orchestral Track

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