Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Discuss stuff wot ain't games. You do have other hobbies, right?
User avatar
Rasmusic
Posts: 177
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:19 pm
Contact:

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Rasmusic » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:00 pm

Yooka-Laylee HYPE :D

Listen to my music:

User avatar
ShanPen
Posts: 354
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:16 pm
Location: Australia

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby ShanPen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:03 pm


User avatar
Yavga
Posts: 1193
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:42 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Yavga » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:09 pm

Stop picking your nose

YookaLayleeFan
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby YookaLayleeFan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:19 pm

He isn't being fired for a differing opinion, he's being fired for stirring up controversy.

There's a thing called guilt by association, which they're trying to avoid. He has a target on his back, and they don't want to get hit in the cross-fire. The problem is even if they did wait to actually get hit by backlash before firing him, a lot of their detractors wouldn't care that they were "pressured" into it. They would still been accused of the exact same things they are right now, with the added 'bonus' criticism of caving in to the pressure.

They wouldn't have been happy unless Playtonic fell on their sword for JonTron, which wouldn't be wise when even he admits he screwed up. There was no coming out on top here, only the lesser of two evils.

User avatar
Yavga
Posts: 1193
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:42 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Yavga » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:30 pm

Stop picking your nose

Operationgamer17
Posts: 87
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:25 pm
Contact:

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Operationgamer17 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:07 pm

If anyone wants to see some of the stuff going on on the Steam forums, here you go.
https://www.imgur.com/a/nBLK7

SurenoScrap
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:06 pm

How to get a refund

Postby SurenoScrap » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:09 pm

Friendly reminder on how to get a refund considering the mods are locking threads on how to do it.

If you bought through steam, just ask for a refund. Easy since the game has not released yet.

If you backed through kickstarter, find out the date you backed through Kickstarter and contact your credit card company and issue a chargeback. Since Playtonic is not honoring refunds, this is the only way to do it.

kraufen
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:00 pm

The treatment of people asking for refunds isn't right

Postby kraufen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:15 pm

So let me set this straight. Jontron's voice being removed isn't really a big blow nor does it affect gameplay in any way. The game will pretty much remain the same and I respect that playtonic can remove and add whatever they want since it is their own game, and tbh jontron said some shitty things he sort of deserved it.


What I can't get behind is the refusal of refunds (well actually that's fine to) but more the treatment of people who are asking for them. You are a company you are supposed to be professional. You can tell them that you don't need to give them refunds and why and how its legal for you to do so, that is fine since what you say is true. However to delete every single thread or lock them, and to have multiple people working for you basically poo-poo talking publicly on twitter about these people and well the situation in general is ridiculous, you are supposed to be a company,act like a company.

For this I will not buy this game or any future endeavors, unless you apologize to the people who are upset, who have the right to be upset over giving money to a project who did something they disagree with.

I know my single purchase isn't much but I am sure plenty of others who don't give a poo-poo about jontron feel the exact same way. That is all I came here to say.


p.s
From a p.r standpoint it is not gonna hurt to apologize for treating people poorly (not the removal of jontron, more as in being horrible to people who gave you money) and politely explain why you don't need to do refund them and most of this will end though maybe that ship has sailed already and its to late

User avatar
Yavga
Posts: 1193
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:42 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Yavga » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:17 pm

Stop picking your nose

Pgcrooner
Posts: 293
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Pgcrooner » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:57 pm


Pokemaniac Dan
Posts: 127
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:35 pm

Re: What might happen to Playtonic if Yooka-Laylee flops...

Postby Pokemaniac Dan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:59 pm


Pokemaniac Dan
Posts: 127
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:35 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Pokemaniac Dan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:21 pm

Was this guy getting paid to provide his "voice" in the game? Because last I knew, he was not an employee of Playtonic Games; therefore, it cannot be considered that he was "fired."

Pgcrooner
Posts: 293
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Pgcrooner » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:29 pm

Last edited by Pgcrooner on Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

DonovanDuBoi
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:15 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby DonovanDuBoi » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:19 pm

I made this account just so I could post here and tell Playtonic that this is the reason I will not be buying their game. I've been really looking forward to it and it looks really well made, but I won't support them after removing a voice actor just to avoid social guilt by association.

MBFtrace
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:49 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby MBFtrace » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:50 pm

Just here to say thanks Playtonic for taking a stand against the racist white supremacists and trolls that infest the internet. It's nice to see someone standing up for minorities and immigrants, and I'll definitely be purchasing because of that. Keep up the good work :D

Pgcrooner
Posts: 293
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Pgcrooner » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:21 pm

So I started browsing the kickstarter comment section and I found this post that seems to encapsulate a lot (not every) backers beef with the decision:

"Howdy all,
I just wanted to voice my disappointment in the way that you've handled the Jontron situation. I had backed this before I was ever aware he was a part of the project. I backed this because I believed in Playtonic and thought that this would be a good way to show my displeasure with the current environment in "AAA" gaming. By that I mean the big companies keep giving me the same warmed over, focus grouped trite and telling me that I don't know what I want. So I took my money and spent it on something different, yet familiar, in the hopes that Yooka-Laylee would be a success and maybe, even just a little, shake up the industry. As of a week ago it looked like everything was turning up roses. Then I learned that Jontron got the axe.
Before I go on I must state that Playtonic is well within their rights to make whatever changes to their game that they want. It's their game. I have no right to ask for a refund because i agreed to give them my money on a game sight unseen. They could've took the money and ran and I still wouldn't be able to get my money back because this is Kickstarter and that's the risk you take.
When I saw that Jontron got axed from Yooka-Laylee I was taken aback. I had actually forgotten that he was even a part of this. Then I read the headlines and saw "why" he was cut. If nothing else 2016 taught me to never again just read a headline and one source so I did my own digging into it.
I'm not even sure where to begin Playtonic.
Should it be where Jontron went and got railroaded by the "games journalists" because of a poorly done livestream he did on twitch? Should it be about the livestream that was more or less an attack on Jontron by the streamer Destiny (Destiny the streamer whom I can quote "How do I explain to my daughter incest is wrong. Is it actually wrong? I don't know. This is like -uh, this is a crazy f***king thing" so you know he's not about stirring up controversy at all)? Should it be that Jontron has better expressed himself in other streams before the Destiny one and there wasn't such a big hoopla abut them because he wasn't stumbling over himself? Should it be that Neogaf (NEOGAF! A FORUM! AN ECHOCHAMBER WITH NO REAL CLOUT OR CREDIBILITY!) decided that your game was racist because they believe that Jontron is racist and so they went on to pressure you into removing him, not because he hasn't expressed his opinions in the past but because now he's tripped up and flustered and they see an opportunity? Should it be that in your press release you say "Playtonic is a studio that celebrates diversity in all forms" while at the same time removing Jontron because his views did not conform to yours or to say better, he had a DIVERSE opinion? Should it be that, as best I can find, at no point does it seem like you even tried to contact Jontron to hear his side and evaluate the evidence yourself?
Your move Playtonic. Which of these badly handled landmines do you want to try step over first?
...
...I am angry. I am frustrated. I am saddened. Mostly though, I am disappointed in you Playtonic. It's not because Jontron got removed. It's partly how you've handled it. It's mainly because you caved into pressure from people with an agenda. Again, Jontron has stated his points and beliefs before the Destiny stream with much more grace, eloquence and backing facts AND YOU DID NOT CARE THEN. It wasn't until the poorly handled, by Jontron to be fair, Destiny stream that people saw chink in the armor to strike. It seems as if you willingly sold your artistic integrity for more potential sales. Now I know Jontron had minor role in the game but when you started to get the push you cut him. I have to wonder, had Jontron had a bigger role would you've cut him?
Jontron.
Jontron.
You brought him onto the project. Yes you brought him on because he's somewhat of a "big" name in the gaming community but also, and I have to imagine the main reason because why him and not someone else, he is a big fan the great N64 Rare games.
Jontron is a stand in for us: The fans.
Your fans.
If we have diverse views or opinions does that mean that we too will get removed in some way so that you can "make games that everyone can enjoy" and thus create an environment that "could make players feel anything but 100% comfortable in our game worlds". Are we expendable so you can move more units?
Playtonic, this truly breaks my heart writing all this. I just wanted to play a fun game. I wanted to have an updated mascot platformer to play and to one day play with my kids like I did when I was a kid. But like everything else in this day in age it has somehow been infected by social justice and you've shown me what side you're on. I don't even think that you care all that much about what the articles, news pieces and forums say about the great ambiguous specter of "racism", you just care that they complained and that made you look bad. And if you look bad, you'll sell less and that's the bottom line. I will grant you that you are well within your rights to protect and maximize your profits. I supported you because I somehow thought you would be different Playtonic. Again, I'm heart broken and gain no pleasure to write this but at this point you are no different from EA, Ubisoft, WB or any other part of the "AAA" environment that I so desperately wanted to escape.
Thank you for your time and for reading this."

Not everyone feels this way mind you, but most of the comments criticizing playtonic share this sentiment.

Thoughts?

GeneralWalnut
Posts: 141
Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:06 am

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby GeneralWalnut » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:46 pm


Pgcrooner
Posts: 293
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby Pgcrooner » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:00 pm


GeneralWalnut
Posts: 141
Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:06 am

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby GeneralWalnut » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:22 pm


MBFtrace
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:49 pm

Re: Jon Jafari (JonTron) and his role in Yooka-Laylee

Postby MBFtrace » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:44 pm

Last edited by MBFtrace on Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.


Return to “Community Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests